JESSE WOODROW: We are extremely excited today to be able to have someone that we’ve talked about here on this show for quite some time. I remember when I first saw the article when Joel Richardson did for world net daily on Mr. Adnan Oktar. I remember reading it and painted this in mind. He began to tell you about things that I was reading from this Muslim man. Wanted to a Third Jewish Temple in Israel. And not too long ago, I got in contact with Mr. Adnan Oktar and we are extremely excited to have Mr. Adnan Oktar on the show today and he’s got a translator with him and they are in Istanbul, Turkey. Is that correct, sir?
OKTAR BABUNA: Yes
JESSE WOODROW: Well we do appreciate you guys joining us and we are excited to be able to have this interesting conversation today. You are in Turkey, is that correct?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes
JESSE WOODROW: Ok, wonderful. And how many books? I want to explain to the audience that you are a very prominent Muslim leader. How many books has Mr. Oktar written?
ADNAN OKTAR:I wrote more than 300 books. They are translated into more than 60 foreign languages.
JESSE WOODROW: Ok, wonderful. So, we’re dealing with somebody, we understand that Mr. Adnan Oktar is not just a little Jesse here. He has written a lot of books. I have only written one. We are excited to have him on. I know that the hour’s gonna go by fast. So I want to get right into it. Mr. Adnan Oktar, is it your vision to have a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount?
ADNAN OKTAR:The Prophet Solomon (pbuh) is the prophet of Muslims. All Muslims have profound love for the Prophet Solomon (pbuh). I also have a profound love, affection and admiration for him. That beautiful masjid he built in his own time is the masjid of the Muslims. No doubt the rebuilding of that masjid is a splendid event. It would be a beautiful event to go back öto those days. Why should it [the masjid] remain in the depths of history, why should it be forgotten? It should, of course, be [re]constructed in line with its former beauty and glory. Muslims, Christians and Jews should ally with one another to rebuild this beautiful masjid. Separate worshipping places should be allocated to each. Muslims should pray at a separate place, Christians and Jews should pray at their own places. We should revive this beautiful relic of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh).
JESSE WOODROW: It is correct then to say that this is indeed what you wanna do, which is to make a temple, all faiths to pray on Temple Mount, is that correct?
ADNAN OKTAR:This is, of course, a very beautiful event since the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) is a very blessed and beautiful prophet for Christians, Muslims and Jews alike. He is a prophet we all love. He is a prophet we commonly love; of course the reconstruction of his masjid, the reconstruction of its former glory there, even the reconstruction of its vineyards, gardens and plantations in a way to project its former beauty would be something marvelous. It would be very beautiful. This is my ideal, of course.
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ADNAN OKTAR: As a matter of fact, apart from the Prophet Solomon’s (pbuh) masjid, the masjids of other prophets, the places where they inhabited should be rebuilt, the places where they worshipped should be restored and glorified. Similarly they should be opened and Christians, Muslims and Jews should be allowed to visit them. The places where the Prophet Joseph (pbuh) lived and the locations where the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) lived should be restored and beautified. And these places are the masjids of Muslims. They are all the prophets of Muslims. Of course both Jews and Christians who come here should think about those days and revive those beautiful memories. Muslims, Christians and Jews should come together in the End of Times, in the time when the Messiah will descend. This should be the era of peace. Arms should be removed. No more blood should be shed on Earth. The time of peace and brotherhood should come. Let Christians, Muslims and Jews live side by side, let them be brothers. They should not have doubts about each other. Their seeing one another as antichrists extremely dangerous, this will benefit the disbelievers. This will benefit the dajjal, the anti-Christ. Muslims, Jews and Christians should nurture good feelings for one another, it would be vile for them to look one another with doubts.
JESSE WOODROW: let me ask you this quick question. Roman catholic catechism it says number 841 that Muslims, we’re gonna take this break right now but when we come back I wanna make sure that we get to this question, Roman Catholic Catechism says that Muslims, Jews and Christians, Catholics will go to the same heaven. They all have the same plan of salvation. We’ll come back straight to talking to Mr. Adnan Oktar, he wants a third of Jewish temple.
JESSE WOODROW: welcome back we are talking to and it is a pleasure to be able to have Mr. Adnan Oktar and his translator with us today. I do wanna say Mr. Adnan Oktar we do appreciate your time, we know it’s late there and we appreciate you coming on.
ADNAN OKTAR:I am also very pleased.I love you all very much. I love Christians, Jews, Muslims and everyone who has faith in Allah.
JESSE WOODROW: Let me ask you now, in the Roman Catholic Catechism number 8.41 states that the plan of salvation also includes in the first place who are the Muslims because they adore the One True Merciful God and hold the faith of Abraham. So it seems like the Catholic Church is now saying as long as you believe in Abraham, which the Muslims and the Catholics and the Christians do, you can go to heaven. Does Mr. Adnan Oktar hold to the fact that Muslims, Jews and Christians, do they all go to the same heaven?
ADNAN OKTAR: Allah, the All-Mighty says—I seek refuge in Allah from satan—that His genuine servants will be saved. Everyone who is sincere [towards Allah] will enter the heaven. Allah sets up a single condition. To be very sincere towards Allah. Everyone who is sincere as much as can be will enter the heaven. I mean no matter he is a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew.
JESSE WOODROW: Okay, but I want to make sure we get the question answered. Does he believe that Muslims, Catholics and Jews are all going to same heaven?
ADNAN OKTAR: Putting such a measure will be wrong.One can be a freemason, a communist or someone of a different faith. As long as he is sincere Allah guides that person to the right path and inspires in him the most accurate act. Consequently he goes to the Heaven. So the only condition is to be sincere [towards Allah]. Which religion he adheres is of no significance. For instance he may be a Muslim but goes to the Hell. He may be a Christian and may go to the Hell. He may be a Jew and go to the Hell. Or he may be a freemason, a marxist, but he may submit to Allah, fulfill all his duties as a servant [of Allah] and enter the Heaven. Thus the measure here is to be sincere in its true sense. Otherwise there is no need to make such a distinction. As long as a person is sincere and remain as a servant to Allah in the true sense of the word, everyone enters the Heaven.
ADNAN OKTAR: However, the greatest threat in this issue,the most risky thing is for Christians, Jews and Muslims to declare one another anti-Christ. This would only mean serving to anti-Christ. Muslims should not declare Christians antichrist and vice versa. Likewise Jews should not declare Christians antichrist and vice versa. In brief, none of them should, never and ever, say the other party is a pro-dajjal or pro-anti-Christ. This has so far caused the oppression of believers and the domination of unbelievers over the world. And this caused irreligion to prevail the world. By means of this plot, irreligion and freemasonry set all the believers against one another. Believers should not be deceived by this game. Thereby, freemasonry dominates. And the thought of freemasonry dominates the world. However, if Christians, Jews, Muslims protect one another and become brothers, then the freemasonry’s effect will diminish throughout the world, that is the death of satan. This will mean the end of satan. We should definitely make it happen. We should avoid blaming each other of being the antichrist.
JESSE WOODROW: Ok. I’m not trying to be mean-spirited at all but I’m just simply, I don’t feel like we’ve got an answer yet. Are Muslims, Jews and Christians and Catholics, are they all going to the same heaven?
ADNAN OKTAR: Everyone is together in the Heaven. All the believers are together. That is because there is only one Heaven. There are no separate Heavens, if that is what you are asking.
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ADNAN OKTAR: The Prophets Abraham, Joseph, Isaac (peace be upon them all), sons of Abraham, the Prophet Moses (pbuh) the Prophet Muhammad (may God bless him and grant him peace) are all in the same heaven. Therefore, all the Muslims will be with them. And thus everyone will be altogether. There is no other form. There is not a separate Heaven. The ones who love them and themselves as well will be in the same Heaven.
JESSE WOODROW: Ok. There is one heaven that everybody goes to. Satanists, Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, its all one Heaven, right?
ADNAN OKTAR: Satanists have no place in the Heaven, their place is in Hell. That is, people who do not believe in Allah and Allah’s prophets cannot go to the Heaven. The people who believe in Allah will go to Heaven. Those who believe in Allah’s prophets will go to the Heaven. Those who believe in the Hereafter, the angels of Allah and the scriptures sent by Him will enter the Heaven. The dwelling place of the satanists is Hell. But if a satanist repents and seeks refuge in Allah, believes sincerely, becomes a servant as Allah wants him to be, he can also enter the Heaven, of course, if Allah forgives him. But of course satanists belong to the Hell, they have no place in the Heaven.
JESSE WOODROW: Ok. Now. I wanna ask Mr. Adnan Oktar “is he aware that the New Testament of the Bible tells us that we are going to see a move towards inter-faithism and that is actually from satan, it’s not a Godly thing. The Bible tells us that there is only one way to Heaven, it’s through Jesus. Does he understand that what he is saying is exactly what The New Testament tells us satan is going to do? In the New Testament, we are told that the anti-Christ, satan, is going to be proponent, he’s gonna be in favor of something called the one world religion. It’s called interfaithism, meaning everyone goes to the same Heaven no matter what you believe. Is he aware that what he supports is what satan supports?
ADNAN OKTAR: This is what the anti Christ proponents claim. Because these people want to set the believers, the Muslims and Jews against each other, shed Jews’ blood, shed Muslims’ blood, murder Muslims en masse. Likewise, some ignorant Muslims want to kill Christians in the same way. And some ignorant Jews want to murder both Christians and Muslims in the same way, as well. These are all the proponents of the anti-Christ. The devout believers, those who fear Allah, those who love the Prophet Abraham (pbuh), the Prophet Isaac (pbuh), the Prophet Jacob love Allah, enter the religion of Allah and protect one another. When the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) returns, only one religion will dominate the world. No religion other than Islam will remain. That is the duty of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh). There is one-two decades for this to happen. You will witness this in one or two decades. These words of mine will remain as a memory. You will see that what I exactly say is true. The Messiah (pbuh) will return, all the people in the world will become Muslims. Only a single religion will remain. That is stated in the Qur’an. Similarly, they are stated in other Righteous Scriptures.
JESSE WOODROW: Mr. Adnan Oktar, hold on, we are coming up on a break and I want to hear his answer, I’m dying to hear his answer but can you just hold on a second, as we are going on to this break? Ok. Hold on one second because we all want to hear his answer. It was an honor to have him on today with us, I appreciate his time I know he a busy man. I’m glad he is able to be with us. We will be back in just one second with Mr. Adnan Oktar.
JESSE WOODROW: Welcome back to Jesse Woodrow Show. I’m excited about our discussion with Mr. Adnan Oktar, who is an author and a Muslim leader, speaking to us from Istanbul, Turkey, He has recently talked about because he is in favor of building a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount, Solomon’s temple. So we are talking with him today about his ideas. Now let me say this before we go back in. I’m in favor of what we are doing today. I believe that we can have open, intelligent, intellectual discourse and talk back and forth, that you and I can actually learn from each other. I’m honored that Mr. Adnan Oktar would come on and be willing to talk about some of these things and so it is an honor what I do. A lot of people even won’t come on the show. So I’m in favor of him coming on, I appreciate his time to come on. Right before the break, Mr. Adnan Oktar, we were asking you about, is he aware that the ideas that he has for everyone worshipping on the temple together and the fact that everyone is going to go to the same heaven, is he aware that the New Testament talks about that and that’s satan’s plan for this world? I just wanna make sure that we understand. You are saying that in 10 to 20 years Jesus will return and will announce to the world that the true prophet was Muhammad and Islam is the correct religion. Is that what you are saying?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, that is true. Antichrist appeared in 2001. Antichrist is present in the world at the moment. And antichrist is in action. The antichrist is trying to set Christians, Muslims and Jews against each other. He makes them declare one another as the antichrist. That is, he makes Christians appear as antichrist to Muslims and vice versa. Likewise he makes Jews appear as antichrist to other religions. By setting the religions against each other, the anti-Christ wills to strengthen his domination over the world. He is getting prepared for a great Muslim massacre. He is getting ready for a grand Christian massacre. And he gets ready for a great Jewish massacre. But Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will not let this happen. The Mahdi(pbuh) is on this earth now. And the Prophet Jesus(pbuh) will not let this happen either. People all around the world will become brothers. All arms will be removed from the face of the Earth. Not a single drop of blood shall be shed. In 2120, if Allah wills(insha’Allah), the Doomsday will take place. In two decades time all the world will see that what I am saying is true. If my words do not come to be true, anyone can say anything to me. Including you. Everyone can say what ever they may wish. Two decades later you will see that what I am saying is absolutely true. We will see the Messiah. The Messiah will appear before us as an extremely beautiful person; a person having a slim waist, broad shoulders, grey eyes, bright hands and feet. He will be a means in the conversion of all people into Islam. When you will see in two decades time that what I say is true, you will also have the conviction that the other things I tell you are also true, if Allah wills (insha’Allah).
JESSE WOODROW: Who is the antichrist?
ADNAN OKTAR: He is hiding in Jerusalem right now.
JESSE WOODROW: Okay,But we don’t know who he is
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, I mean I know that he is there. I know he is active right now. All the information I can provide is limited to this. The Mahdi will act with the Christian clericals. He will have a very transparent and open activity. Together with Christians, they will engage in a brotherly activity. They will wipe the antichrist out of the Earth, if Allah wills(insha’Allah). With the support and help of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh).
JESSE WOODROW: Okay, now, let me ask this, Mr. Adnan Oktar, does he believe that he is the Mahdi?
ADNAN OKTAR: No. I do not claim to be the Mahdi. Besides, I am not the Mahdi. I have told this. I have told this before. I also swore that I will not have such a claim in the future. I announced this to Muslims and the people around me by means of television. I have not such a claim. I am an ordinary servant of Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: But I am the pioneer of the Mahdi. I am a person laying the proper groundwork for him. That is what I am telling
ADNAN OKTAR: I am the Prophet Jesus’ (pbuh) disciple. I am ready for that. That is, I am getting prepared to be his disciple. I am preparing myself to be the disciple of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh). And I am preparing the base for him. I’m a helper of Messiah for him to perform his activities effortlessly. I am his helpmate. I’m getting prepared to be his helpmate. We are eradicating Darwinism, which is the religion of the antichrist. This is a very important activity.
JESSE WOODROW: Does he believe that at any point the entire world’s gonna come battle against Jerusalem? Does he foresee a time of that taking place?
ADNAN OKTAR: This is the ideology of the antichrist. Jerusalem will be the city of peace. There will be peace in there. There will be brotherhood. Following these years there will be no more wars. Because the end of the world is nigh. The doomsday is in 2120. And people will see what I’m telling is true by experiencing when the first one I’ve said will come true. In two decades time people will see the Messiah. And the Messiah will anoint all people’s faces, travel all round the world. And the Messiah will perform miracles and will ensure that all the [people in the]world convert to Islam. When you understand these words to be true, you will also understand that my other words are also true, if Allah wills (insha’Allah).
JESSE WOODROW: We’re coming up on a break I don’t wanna cut you off, I don’t wanna miss what you’re saying hold on one second, cause’ I want everyone to hear it. He is saying that the spirit of the antichrist I believe that believes the world is gonna battle against Jerusalem. We’ll be back in just one second.
JESSE WOODROW: Today we’re talking to Mr. Adnan Oktar author and Muslim leader in Turkey and he is discussing with us his visions for this time ahead of us, that is gonna be dealing with Muslims and Jews and Christians and Catholics how do we all get along and right before the break Mr. Oktar I was asking you about this battle in Jerusalem whether or not he feels like at any point there could be a battle that communates in Jerusalem. Now an interesting response that you gave us just now to believe that the world is gonna battle against Jerusalem is in fact the spirit of the antichrist. Well there is a verse in the Bible that says in Zekeriah in chapter 14 that the world will come to battle against Jerusalem and so it’s an interesting point that you believe that the spirit of the antichrist is gonna battle against Jerusalem and I believe that as well. Do you see a battle between Muslims and Jews? What’s the battle gonna be?
ADNAN OKTAR:Darwinism was the religion of the satan, the religion of antichrist. We ensured the eradication of this religion and we have laid a beautiful groundwork for the appearance of the Hazrat Messiah. We abolished an important obstacle before him. Both Evangelics and Protestants will cooperate with Muslims against the antichrist, you’ll see this, if Allah wills(insha’Allah).
JESSE WOODROW: Let me ask him this. The Bible tells us that there’s gonna be a war that kills one third of mankind. The 6 separate wars mentioned in Revelation chapter 9 verse from 13 through 16. Now my knowledge of Islam is that they believe that Mahdi will come to power right after a war. Is that correct?
ADNAN OKTAR:No, no. There’s no more war after this point, you’ll see. The life of the world has come to an end anyway. The doomsday is in 2120, there’s just a little time left. Islam will dominate the Earth only for 70-80 years, and then the humanity will be corrupted and in 2120, the doomsday will come. Therefore there’s little time left. There are no more wars from now on, you’ll see it. There will only be peace and brotherhood, all arms will be destroyed. Evangelics, Protestants and Catholics, they will all cooperate with Muslims. Because both sides, both Christians and Muslims are under oppression, the Jews are under oppression. They will all unite and live peacefully. They will keep the word of the Messiah. The Messiah will call all humanity to Islam and they will all be Muslims. You’ll see that this will exactly come to be true. I repeat it. If my words will not come to be true in 2 decades, you can tell me whatever you like.
JESSE WOODROW: We got one more break to come when we come make sure we give out Mr. Oktar’s website. You heard him say just now that Islam will prevail in the world that’s his belief.
JESSE WOODROW: Well it’s been quite an honor to me to have Mr. Adnan Oktar and his translator with us today? Mr. Oktar can you give us your website?
ADNAN OKTAR:Our brothers can reach all information from www.harunyahya.com. Whatever I said has come to be true up until now. They can trust me, both our Christian brothers and our Jewish brothers as well. I am saying these based on very solid evidence. I love them all very much.
JESSE WOODROW: You’ll gonna have to give it real quickly cause we only got a few seconds. Okay. I really appreciate you guys coming on it means a lot to me I wanna make sure that Mr. Oktar knows Jesse Woodrow thinks what we did today was good it opened up channels of communication and I appreciate it.
JESSE WOODROW: Go ahead and tell him as we go off into the end of the show I wanna say thank you for coming on I appreciate it. May God bless you. And we look forward to possibly talking to you in the future. We talked to Mr. Adnan Oktar today.
Sep 16, 2009
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